Tools that promote real conversation. What is that? No idea, but I know that FB and Twitter et al promote disingenuious conversation by the way they trigger addictive behavior my stimulating the amigdula (I think?). So a good way to start/learn is to do something different than they do. Sardonic grin.
I don’t have much to offer on the technical side. My singular rule for any forum I moderate is people need to strive to uphold everyone’s human dignity with their comments, so a simple way to remind them occationally when they post would be helpful. Thanks! I’ve been puzzling how to have interactive capacity that people use, and comments get used more than email, but as someone said in the thread, people are addicted to flockig to FB and Twitter. Sigh. I really do not want to promote that.
Don’t take me wrong: Write.as is the best at what it does, and I know that it strives to be a minimalist, distraction free, focus-on-just-writing platform. Actually, it’s the best writing platform out there. And that’s what it is: a writing platform. Not a blogging platform.
I’m really looking forward for the development of Remark.as, but if it’s not a priority, then that’s a deal breaker for me.
Disturbingly unbelievable. So this is what happens when you upset some random nameless powerful people that just don’t want your open source project to ever come out of the paper. The worst part of it is that we don’t even know why they’re being banned everywhere.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Please feel free to keep discussing, but just wanted to address some things.
First, from what I’ve personally seen on the service over the years (and as some have mentioned here), this probably isn’t a crucial feature for most people on the platform. Most people just want to get their thoughts out without hearing what others think. It’s a rare bit of peace and quiet on the web today that I’d really like to keep enabling, which is why no comments will remain the default.
Still, we’ll be moving Remark.as forward probably in the second quarter of this year. I wrote a post about what I’d like it to accomplish (it’s a bit long, so you can skip to the end for the summary), but it’s going to incorporate everyone’s feedback here, too, so I appreciate it!
This is very cool! Looks pretty mature, and I love the clean UI. But I really want to build Remark.as around a certain workflow, so I think it needs to be made that way from scratch. Still, I appreciate you mentioning this! Your system could be a great alternative for anyone who doesn’t find that Remark.as meets their needs.
Agreed – like I wrote in that blog post, I think this is one of the main problems to solve. Most commenting systems miss the mark.
Again, we are going to build Remark.as. But like you mention, we’re a writing platform – and I think that’s why many agree that comments aren’t crucial for everyone. Our focus is on writers, and comments end up taking most writers away from their real work.
And this isn’t not a priority – it’s just lower priority than features like email subscriptions and ePub exporting, which we have in development right now. I know people want this feature, but we can only do so much at any given time, so we have to decide the order in which to do things. It doesn’t mean Remark.as won’t happen
This. And, as you mention, any comment system needs to promote thoughtful, quiet conversation rather than bombardment of reactionary blurbing.
I’ve found it fascinating since my brain injury in 2002 how I shifted my understanding of email, without realizing it at first. Others with brain injury interact in support groups via email with very thoughtful dialogue, but folks I email outside that community use email mostly as “FYI,” not to be interacted with. As Facebook increased in pupularity, email support group participation dropped rapidly, except for a few who needed the simplicity of email.
I’m not sure what this says other than the platform can be well designed for thoughtful interaction yet it also requires people chooseing to interact well and may not know or remember how until they discover it. How to promote that discover, of the art of conversation?
To make commenting more human , it needs to become conversation rather than commentary. Someone talking at you through a television or lonely comment on a blog isn’t natural and human; a conversation is. If you want to talk to an author, you should be able to do that directly — no public side is needed. Then, if your conversation turns out to be of interest or use to more people, you should be able to make it public, where it can stand as a work in itself.
The most important feature for me would be able to disable it completely. I don’t want comments, I don’t like comments . My dislike grew over the years of managing several blogging platforms with tons of spam. Also, it is a lot of work as blog owners are more or less “liable” over here (where that is true in lawyer terms, I do not know 100%. But you need to manage your comments and remove comments that would break a law if someone makes you aware of these comments. Total hassle .